KENYA SUMAKU

"Our mission is to…Open the hidden perspectives"

In Retrospect

Posted by Popular Ombudsman on November 28, 2009

The Week in Retrospect today will focus on what the guy on the street is saying. We will analyze the views being expressed by people giving feed back (a rough indicator) on newspaper polls in the wide circulation newspapers (Daily Nation and E.A. Standard) which were used as the source of data. Since the opinions are subjected to moderation, they may have some inbuilt bias.

Out of 44 individuals who expressed opinions about the draft in the nation online edition, 25 spoke of Chapter 12 in one way or the other. A sample of the views expressed are reproduced here verbatim. In the Standard, out of a sample of 60 who gave opinions in a poll entitled Should the provision for an executive Prime Minister in the draft constitution be amended? , 33 of them expressed support or lack of support. A sample of their views is published for your perusal.

The following facts emerge from these polls:
That most people have not had chance to as much as peruse through the document although they express very strong opinions. For instance read this contributor’s opinion ‘

In the E.A. Standard
39. On Thursday November 26, 2009, 8:42 AM , Wairimu, Kenya wrote:
  We cannot transfer Authortity given to the President by 51% Votes to an MP chosed by his cronies in Bunge. That is abolishing the Executive Arm of the Government. THIS MUST NEVER HAPPEN. The Prime Minister is just an antagonistic element to paralyze the President and destory the country’s recovery. Let the President make his appointments and send them to Bunge for an OK.

In The Daily Nation
Submitted by gakuyuexpress
Posted November 24, 2009 06:03 PM
I think the devolution of power is a great idea but we have to be wary of the cost. Hopefully, decentralizing will help us rein in mega corruption and use some of the money to finance the increased government. Power sharing between president and PM, I’m all for it. And Kibaki’s hands off approach, may turn to be an advantage this time coz it could give us a chance to get a constitution for posterity as opposed to one tailored for any individual.

In the E.A. Standard

5. On Friday November 27, 2009, 10:26 AM , george ochieng omollo, Kenya wrote:
  Kenyans should know that it is high time we change our perspective in politics let us not imagine that the constitution is for Raila or Kibaki but for us plus our next generation let the powers be distributed well.

Submitted by austinbarasa
Posted November 24, 2009 04:01 PM
I have read my e-copy and my judgment is that the draft is “ACCEPTABLE WITH REVISIONS”. executive: power should be shared between the President and PM but clear checks and balances are needed especially for the PM. The terms of service for presidency seems to have been clearly cut out but the PM has so many loopholes; PM has no peoples contract, and he/she is likely to become the next dictator. Devolution: I support it but a formula should be devised for determining the number of counties. The 74 that is set out is not based on equal representation.

It is crystal clear that a majority of the people expressing opinions have not read the draft well or if they have read did not quite comprehend the intricacies therein.

Perhaps there is need to define a by word that appears everywhere, Executive Power or Authority. So, what exactly does executive power mean? This term means different things to different people and it seems some consider reduction of Executive Power in one office to represent personal or tribal loss! Leave alone the fact that both the president and prime minister are elective offices. Some of the participants go as far as castigating the prime minister because he is just a trouble maker! In other words, people are unable to separate the Constitution from Kibaki and Raila. In this matter, it will be important to remind all Kenyans that up till 2002, we had Mr. Moi as the President, and the same people reserved the worst adjectives for him. Just take a walk down memory lane. In the near future, we may have a person from elsewhere other than where Kibaki comes from, one wonders whether the adjectives will apply to the next occupant? In other words, does the president become dictatorial by virtue of coming from the other ethnic group? How are we to know which ethnic group will be producing the president in this new arrangement anyway?

It ought to be known by all and sundry that Kibaki and Raila are passing clouds (we are just seeing their tails actually!). The constitution is for our children. It is for posterity, so remove the emotional involvement and look at it from that angle.

One is inclined to propose that clearly, Chapter 12 deserves to be decided at the referendum, and the two proposals should be availed for voting. The options should be simple, easy to understand and just two: A president without a prime minister or a president and prime minister as provided for in the current draft.

Read the rest of the comments here.

Daily Nation:
Submitted by gakuyuexpress
Posted November 24, 2009 06:03 PM
I think the devolution of power is a great idea but we have to be wary of the cost. Hopefully, decentralizing will help us rein in mega corruption and use some of the money to finance the increased government. Power sharing between president and PM, I’m all for it. And Kibaki’s hands off approach, may turn to be an advantage this time coz it could give us a chance to get a constitution for posterity as opposed to one tailored for any individual.

Submitted by wanaruonawikenya
Posted November 24, 2009 05:53 PM
My observations: 1. Chapter 12 on executive was written with Raila and Kibaki in mind… It is similar to 2002 MOU but where will Kenya be in 2063, 100 yrs after independent??? 2. There is also Moi driven idea in the defining of the counties that marginalized some areas which were in opposition. Currently we have no opposition and the draft will go no orange or banana?? We dont need senators . It will be too expensive!!!

Submitted by yesuwangu
Posted November 24, 2009 04:23 PM
controversy On how the president and PM surrounds the constitution.Thebest way is to allow the one who wins the elections be president Number two becomes the PM and Number three Leader of opposition .The style of coalitions president electing anyone like kalonzo as his VP must stop.his runners up should be the official undisputed VP constitutionally

Submitted by karis35
Posted November 24, 2009 04:14 PM
Let us avoid 2 centres of power.How will the president implement his manifesto if it is the PM in control? Which manifesto will be implemented?In comparison with USA, would you expect Mr. Obama to hand over power to some else after working so hard in campains? This is too much for reality.It’s impractical

Submitted by austinbarasa
Posted November 24, 2009 04:01 PM
I have read my e-copy and my judgment is that the draft is “ACCEPTABLE WITH REVISIONS”. executive: power should be shared between the President and PM but clear checks and balances are needed especially for the PM. The terms of service for presidency seems to have been clearly cut out but the PM has so many loopholes; PM has no peoples contract, and he/she is likely to become the next dictator. Devolution: I support it but a formula should be devised for determining the number of counties. The 74 that is set out is not based on equal representation.

Submitted by KIMLAND
Posted November 24, 2009 03:39 PM
This constitution creates two Kenyas: one that will perpetually form government and produce the Premier, and the other that could dominate the presidency. This is the analytical result of a little game-theoretic analysis in which the right to form government and provide the premier is the ultimate pay-off, the constitution provides the rules, and tribal coalitions are the most convenient means in the game. A map of the 2007 election results suggest the boundaries of the Kenyas that would have arisen if this constitution had been installed prior to 2007. Winners won’t volunteer to lose, and losers aren’t credit threats.

Submitted by petero65
Posted November 26, 2009 08:47 AM
The regions created have been tribalised. Kenya should have regions with different tribes for better understanding among themselves. The COE should ask Rev Njoya for help . He had brilliant Ideas that are good for the country future.He was interviewed by K24 TV and he made a lot of sense in his argument. Making regions to belong to one community may not be a good Idea

Submitted by vgogero
Posted November 26, 2009 01:52 PM
Our leaders should negotiate the draft in the spirit of the MOU and the National accord that is real power sharing and consultations in appointments .Let the President chair the cabinet and the PM the house business committee .

Submitted by karibu2009
Posted November 26, 2009 02:39 PM
it seems we are in agreement that the draft has only the executive as the contetious section, so why not have two or three drafts a choice between presidential,parliamentary and the hybrid that the current one proposes, then we vote for the one most apt for us.

E.A. Standard:
1. On Friday November 27, 2009, 14:28 PM , Ben Sande-Otieno, United States wrote:
  Kenyans must be the ones to elect the Prime Minister. This person should be the leader of the majority party a scenario that would eliminate tribal parties and rid the landscape of a perpetual campaign season, In order to avoid the kind of chaos that we saw in the last elections, Parliament can select a ceremonial president from eminent citizens, but who has security of tenure.

2. On Friday November 27, 2009, 12:48 PM , DAVID OLELA, Kenya wrote:
  we have experienced enough with two centres of power; it seems ineffective. let kenyans elect a popular leader to govern them.

3. On Friday November 27, 2009, 12:32 PM , jimmy mochash, Russian Federation wrote:
  the only amendment on the pm is how is he elected make tough amends on appointment and his removal generally its a great idea works well in russia why not in kenya if we cant beat them at least lets be with them

4. On Friday November 27, 2009, 11:20 AM , NJONJO NGUGI, Kenya wrote:
  This is the wrong question to ask. The question should be whether there should be a parliamentary or presidential system of government. We should not have this so called “hybrid”. It is impractical, it will not work and it is a recipe for chaos. Why would anyone in his right mind want to campaign (on what promises?), use his money, get more than 50% of the votes and then be reduced to a begging

5. On Friday November 27, 2009, 10:26 AM , george ochieng omollo, Kenya wrote:
  Kenyans should know that it is high time we change our perspective in politics let us not imagine that the constitution is for Raila or Kibaki but for us plus our next generation let the powers be distributed well.

10. On Friday November 27, 2009, 6:40 AM , ALEX KIARIE, Kenya wrote:
  The problem is not the executive powers. The issue here is position of the electorate in deciding who holds the said powers. Much as the issue can be debatable, the citizen should have the power to elect he/she who wields the powers. Why elect a ceremonial affair and be led by an executive appointee? I’ll rather we have powers vested in strong institutions, not positions that can be personaliszed

32. On Thursday November 26, 2009, 11:52 AM , Sir_ciid, Kenya wrote:
NO, Lets not waste alot of time talking about the presidency and prime minister while having Kibaki & Raila in mind. We are not making this constitution for these two leaders but for the coming generations. We need the new constitution at whatever cost, the constitution has very many parts why dwell on the prime minister. For the coming generations sake lets vote yes for this constitution.

39. On Thursday November 26, 2009, 8:42 AM , Wairimu, Kenya wrote:
  We cannot transfer Authortity given to the President by 51% Votes to an MP chosed by his cronies in Bunge. That is abolishing the Executive Arm of the Government. THIS MUST NEVER HAPPEN. The Prime Minister is just an antagonistic element to paralyze the President and destory the country’s recovery. Let the President make his appointments and send them to Bunge for an OK.

41. On Thursday November 26, 2009, 8:28 AM , Jennifer, Kenya wrote:
  Kenyas are categorical. They MUST ELECT their President. We cannot afford the mess in Israel or Italy, with Parliamentary Systems where their Gvts. break down every two years. We want ONE CENTRE OF POWER., One Flag, One Coat of Arms, One Republican Seal and ONE EXECUTIVE SIGNATURE with the Authority of running the Country. To H*ll with the PM madness who antagonizies the President at every turn

42. On Thursday November 26, 2009, 8:19 AM , Mzalendo, Kenya wrote:
  We don’t want an Exec. PM. The Preisdent elected by 51% of voters can’t cede his powers to a PM nominated by bribed MPs The President heads State& Gvt. to implement his Policies through the Cabinet, Civil Service, Provincial Administration an the whole of his Armed Forces, i.e. The Military Police, GSU, CID,Intelligence &Admn. Police. The PM. only antagonizes the President and paralyzes Gvt

46. On Thursday November 26, 2009, 7:35 AM , ANGELA MWIKALI, Kenya wrote:
  IT SHOULD BE AMMENDED , WE SHOULD NOT HAVE A PRIME MINISTER WITH EXECUTIVE POWERS ,KENYA IS NOT READY FOR THAT , ONLY THE PRESIDENT SHOULD HAVE EXECUTIVE POWERS , SECONDLY IF WE HAVE TWO LEADERS WITH EXECUTIVE POWERS THIS MEANS , THE GOVERMENT WILL INCREASE ITS SPENDING IN THE BUDGET HENCE INCREASE IN TAX, THAT WILL LEAD TO INCREASE IN COMMODITIES. WE CANT AFFORD TO BE TAXED MORE.

-Editor

Advertisements

Sorry, the comment form is closed at this time.

 
%d bloggers like this: